With its 1997 launch as a name-your-own-price site, Priceline helped usher in the era of online travel booking―and the growth of a trillion-dollar category. Priceline itself has mushroomed into a global business with 1,500 full-time employees; along with global airline bookings, the site claims to offer 1.2 million accommodations in 116 countries.
Now, the Connecticut-based company is focusing on generative AI, and CEO Brett Keller is behind the leap. It’s just the latest technology push from Keller, a 25-year veteran of the company who has also served as CMO and COO. Under Keller, Priceline launched the travel industry’s first full-service mobile app in 2009; he also helped conceive the hugely popular William Shatner-fronted “Negotiator” ad campaign.
Keller, 56, talked to Penta about how AI is changing travel planning, what luxury travellers do to save money, and why Japan blows his mind.
Penta: Much of Priceline’s marketing is about value. Do you see luxury travellers in your customer mix along with budget-conscious travellers?
Brett Keller: High-net-worth consumers take a significantly higher number of trips than the average leisure traveller. For a high-end vacation like a safari in Tanzania, they’ll work with experts. But for the other 30 trips they book that year, either for themselves or family members, they don’t always reach for the stars. They want to manage money effectively. And as they’re moving around the country and the world, they need a fast, easy way to book travel that accommodates their needs. Priceline is a great platform for that kind of trip. And if you’re taking a quick weekend trip to Miami, and want to stay in the Four Seasons, we’ve negotiated with them. Even high-net-worth individuals seek value.
Priceline made headlines last year for partnering with both Google and OpenAI on Penny, your AI assistant. How has Penny evolved?
She’s gone from, “I can answer questions about the hotel you’re looking at” to actually servicing the customer through more complicated scenarios. If you need to cancel a hotel that’s fully refundable, you can do it with one click. But if there are issues, like a reservation that’s not fully cancelable, Penny can walk through those steps for you.
Penny’s also helping people find, search, and book properties. For example, if the customer tells her, “I’m looking for a great resort with these features, anywhere warm”—she’ll present recommended properties that meet those requirements. You can continue with Penny on the site, or go with the traditional experience.
Has there been any pushback from consumers about Penny and generative AI?
There has been none. Customers still have access to phone agents. Anyway, the younger generation doesn’t want to talk to anyone. And with traditional chat agents, live agents, or even messaging apps, there’s typically a delay. Penny answers immediately and in real time.
What’s the future of generative AI and online travel booking?
The future is a highly personalised shopping experience. It’s hard to achieve, because we don’t know about the consumer when they come in. But generative AI lets us dramatically improve personalisation. As you work with Penny, and tell us your preferences, the way you interact lets us find and book the best products and services every time you return. The ability to customise and personalise increases exponentially.
Is the travel experience even more bifurcated between elite, ultra-high-net-worth travellers and everyone else?
Consumers seem to be a little less sensitive in some areas. On planes, first-class and comfort-plus seats are the first to go, most of the time, and people are burning through points to sit in the front because they’re tired of not having legroom. But seats are packed in economy, too, so people are flying.
Hotel bookings are more economically driven in the U.S. Higher-income people are not as affected by interest rates or the cost of living, so they spend more freely than economy-minded consumers. There is a bit of bifurcation there. The low end is not filling, but the high end is.
It’s been reported Europe’s going to get even more crowded this summer. Does Priceline ever suggest alternatives to over-touristed or overpriced destinations?
We’re not in the business of telling you where you shouldn’t travel. We market popular destinations because that’s where people want to go. As much as we could tell people, “Las Vegas is overcrowded, don’t go,” people will want to go.
Social media is highlighting some overpopulated destinations and suggesting alternatives, so that comes back to us. But price is the No. 1 motivator. Vegas is a great value. There are so many hotel rooms available that you can go in a non-peak period and get a room in a four-star hotel for US$120. Try doing that in New York City.
What destinations are going to pop over the next year or two?
Asia will continue to be exciting and interesting to people. Bangkok is a great place to move in, then travel throughout Southeast Asia. As the region gets more popular, people will keep trying to find more remote and more unique destinations. People love Europe, but it was the hot spot in 2022 and ’23. Some travellers are saying, “I’ve had enough, and I’m moving on.” Japan is also amazing, for so many reasons. It’s easy to navigate. English is not a challenge. It’s safe. It feels like a different world, but completely first-world. The strength of the dollar is also driving some of that―again, price plays a role.
Beyond that, Mexico and the Caribbean took a real hit in 2022 and ’23 after a boom in 2021. They’re coming back now. A lot of people don’t want to travel far—“I just want to go to a beach and not think of anything.” And because not everyone wants to travel overseas, unique and relaxing cities like Nashville, Tennessee; Houston; and Austin, Texas, will be popular, especially into the fall.
Every day brings more headlines about airline woes. Who gets blamed if a Priceline customer has a bad flying experience, you or the airline?
When you have a bad experience traveling, you want to blame everybody. No matter what happened, the online travel agency takes blame and the airline takes the blame. It could be your seat, the person sitting next to you, whatever. We get the complaint, and we take on that responsibility and that role. We have leverage because of the amount of business we drive to partners. They want to work with us to make sure the customer has the best experience. Something goes wrong almost every time you take a trip. That’s just the reality.
What are your favourite places to travel?
My favourite destination, and a place where I spend a lot of time every summer, is [resort town] McCall, Idaho, one of the most beautiful towns in the West, with hiking, trails, and mountain biking. Outside of the country, it’s Japan, absolutely. Tokyo is the most exciting city in the world. It’s mind-blowing.
This interview has been edited for length and clarity.
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At least for people who carry the APOE4 genetic variant, a juicy steak could keep the brain healthy.
Must even steak be politicised? The American Heart Association recently recommended eating more “plant-based” protein in a move to counter the Health and Human Services Department’s new guidelines calling for more red meat.
Few would argue that eating a Big Mac a day is good for you.
On the other hand, growing evidence, including a study last month in the Journal of the American Medical Association, suggests that eating more meat—particularly unprocessed red meat—can reduce the risk of Alzheimer’s in the quarter or so of people with a particular genetic predisposition.
The APOE4 gene variant is one of the biggest risk factors for Alzheimer’s.
You inherit one copy of the APOE gene from each parent. The most common variant is APOE3; the least is APOE2.
The latter carries a lower risk of Alzheimer’s, while the former is neutral. A quarter of people carry one copy of the APOE4 variant, and about 2% carry two.
APOE4 is more common among people with Northern European and African ancestry. In Europe the variant increases with latitude, and is present in as many as 27% of people in northern countries versus 4% in southern ones. God smiled on the Italians and Greeks.
For unknown reasons, the APOE4 variant increases the risk of Alzheimer’s far more for women than men.
Women’s risk multiplies roughly fourfold if they have one copy and tenfold if they have two. Men with a single copy show little if any higher risk, while those with two face four times the risk.
What makes APOE4 so pernicious? Scientists don’t know exactly, but the variant is also associated with higher cholesterol levels—even among thin people who eat healthily.
Scientists have found that cholesterol builds up in brain cells of APOE4 carriers, which can disrupt communications between neurons and generate amyloid plaque, an Alzheimer’s hallmark.
The Heart Association’s recommendation to eat less red meat may be sound advice for people with high cholesterol caused by indulgent diets.
But a diet high in red meat may be better for the brains of APOE4 carriers.
In the JAMA study, researchers at Sweden’s Karolinska Institute examined how diet, particularly meat consumption, affects dementia risk among seniors with the different APOE variants.
Higher consumption of meat, especially unprocessed red meat, was associated with significantly lower dementia risk for APOE4 carriers.
APOE4 carriers who consumed the most meat—the equivalent of 4.5 ounces a day—were no more likely to develop dementia than noncarriers. (
The study controlled for other variables that are known to affect Alzheimer’s risk including sex, age, physical activity, smoking, alcohol consumption and education.)
APOE4 carriers who ate the most unprocessed meat were at significantly lower risk of dying over the study’s 15-year period and had lower cholesterol than carriers who ate less. Go figure. Noncarriers, however, didn’tenjoy similar benefits from eating more red meat.
The study’s findings are consistent with two large U.K. studies.
One found that each additional 50 grams of red meat (equivalent to half a hamburger patty) that an APOE4 carrier consumed each day was associated with a 36% reduced risk of dementia.
The other found that older women who carried the APOE4 variant and consumed at least one serving a day of unprocessed red meat had a cognitive advantage over carriers who ate less than half a serving, and that this advantage was of roughly equal magnitude to the cognitive disadvantage observed among APOE4 carriers in general.
In all three studies, eating more red meat appeared to negate the increased genetic risk of APOE4.
Perhaps one reason men with the variant are at lower Alzheimer’s risk than women is that men eat more red meat.
These findings might cause chagrin to women who rag their husbands about ordering the rib-eye instead of the heart-healthy salmon.
But remember, the cognitive benefits of eating more red meat appear isolated to APOE4 carriers.
Nutrition is complicated, and categorical recommendations—other than perhaps to avoid nutritionally devoid foods—would best be avoided by governments and health bodies.
Readers can order an at-home test from any number of companies to screen for the APOE4 variant.
The Swedish researchers hypothesize that APOE4 carriers may be evolutionarily adapted to carnivorous diets, since the variant is believed to have emerged between one million and six million years ago during a “hypercarnivorous” period in human history.
The other two APOE variants originated more recently, during eras when humans ate more plants.
APOE4 carriers may absorb more nutrients from meat than plants, the researchers surmise. Vitamin B12—low levels have been associated with cognitive decline—isn’t naturally present in plant-based foods but is abundant in red meat.
Foods high in phytates (such as grains and beans) can interfere with absorption of zinc and iron (also high in red meat), which naturally declines with age. So maybe don’t chuck your steak yet.
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